Wednesday, 18 February 2015

Ukraine. The MH17 Crime Still Hanging in the Air

The jewish and financial links between Ukrainian and Western politics cannot be ignored. Nor the divergent way in which the events in the east of the country are portrayed by Russia and the West. 

There is little doubt that in common with other countries in the Middle East, a natural desire for 'freedom' and dissatisfaction with existing circumstances, has been fomented by agencies of the West (principally by America but supported by Britain) and Israel to create chaos and social unrest, that by extension has included Europe itself.

But Ukraine’s best response to Russian aggression is to continue firmly on its European trajectory, to continue to implement real reforms that fundamentally and irreversibly destroy the corrupt practices of the past." 


 If that happens, I’m confident that you will see American companies bringing their resources, technology, and capital to the Ukrainian market, leveraging Ukraine’s strategic geography and maritime access to Asia, Africa and of course Europe."

See: http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/statements/pyatt-odesa-03242016.html


All so reasonable, rational and above board. But then, 'what fraudster dresses as a thief?'

Wikipedia has this summary on Geoffrey Pyatt - a fine upstanding fellow:

Assistant Secretary Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt greet Ukrainian President-elect Petro Poroshenko before he met with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry in Warsaw, Poland, on June 4, 201  








"On October 15, 2013 Pyatt attended an international conference on fighting anti-Semitism in Kiev, but could not address the audience at the event due to the United States federal government shutdown of 2013.[4] Pyatt became part of a diplomatic scandal in January 2014, when his conversation with the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State, Victoria Nuland, was apparently intercepted and uploaded to YouTube.[5] Pyatt supported the 2014 Ukrainian revolution against Ukraine's President Victor Yanukovych.[5][6] Pyatt characterised pro-Russian separatist rebels in Donetsk and Luhansk as "terrorists".[7]"


Meanwhile President Poroshenko himself came under scrutiny this week after leaked documents suggested he had set up an offshore company as a tax haven. (Yes they are all doing it!)  using Panamanian legal firm Mossack Fonseca. In other news it is reported that Poroshenko is to transfer his share in Roshen to Rothschild under trust agreement. 'Trust' is obviously what this is all about. 

Perhaps more interesting is who replaces him? 

Parliamentary Speaker Volodymyr Groysman has been nominated by Mr Poroshenko's party to replace Mr Yatsenyuk. Groysman (38) is Jewish by birth and religion. The BBC reports that "support is growing for him" which is immediately worrying, given their highly nuanced reporting of Ukraine to date. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36020548)


Ukrainian Parliament Speaker Volodymyr Groysman attends a parliament session in Kiev, Ukraine, March 29, 2016


Groysman was a former mayor of Poroshenko’s home city, Vinnytsia. It is said he is free of the taint of corruption and is seen as an effective manager, who may be able to put together enough parliamentary support to pass legislation. Yet it is said he is very much a member of the political establishment, and a Poroshenko man. The question remains whether he would be able to deliver on promised reforms and anti-corruption measures according to an essentially Western banking and armament agenda? And what is his attitude to and connections with, Israel - if any?

See also: 

http://veaterecosan.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/are-mh17-and-mh370-one-and-same.html



Re: FLIGHT MH17 CRASHES. ISRAEL STARTS GROUND INVASION OF GAZA. COINCIDENCE OF COURSE. (Updated and amended 12.4.2016) – Tim Veater

> (Up-dated and amended 19.7.2014)
>
> FLIGHT MH17 BROUGHT DOWN OVER UKRAINE
>
> A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, flight MH17, was shot down as it flew over the
village of Grabovo, in eastern Ukraine at approximately 4.15pm BST. Data from
Flightradar24 suggests the plane had just passed the city of Kremenchuk when it
disappeared. It was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was travelling at an
altitude of 10km (6.2 miles) with 295 people on board when it suffered a
catastrophic event which made it crash to the ground leaving debris and bodies
over an area of “up to ten miles”. Western sources suggest it was shot down, by
a Russian-made S11 “Buk” ground-to-air missile? Whether this is true, or if so
who fired it, has yet to be determined. An alternative report suggests that the
plane was in fact escorted by Ukrainian fighter planes that fired the missile.
>
> Almost immediately Ukrainian Interior Ministry advisor Anton Gerashchenko
stated that the aircraft was shot down at an altitude of 10,000 m (33,000 ft) by
a Buk surface-to-air missile. American intelligence officials said the plane was
shot down by a missile of indeterminate origin. Ukrainian President Petro
Poroshenko called it an “act of terrorism.”
>
> I always have distinct qualms when government spokesmen, of whatever
persuasion come out with confident assertions as to cause and responsibility
before any independent assessment has been made or eye witness reports received.
It always has a distinct whiff of dark forces about it as we have previously
seen on occasions too numerous to mention.
>
> “In response, pro-Russian separatist rebels accused the Ukrainian government
of shooting down the plane. Ukrainian security services claimed to have
intercepted two phone conversations in which pro-Russian separatists discuss
having just shot down a civilian plane with alleged Russian intelligence
Intercepted mobile phone calls also have a notable and notorious track record in
secret ops.
>
> We need not remind ourselves that this comes only a matter of months since an
almost identical plane, owned by the same company, went missing and has yet to
be found, in somewhat analogous suspicious circumstance, described by one expert
with typical understatement as “highly unusual”.
>
> MEANWHILE A THOUSAND MILES TO THE SOUTH….
>
> Meanwhile, about a thousand miles to the south and in the same time zone,
within hours of the plane crash Israel instituted its long-planned-for invasion
of the Gazza strip with tanks, ground troops, preceded by aerial bombardment,
resulting in yet more civilian deaths and injuries. Given the fact that no such
operation can take place without both long-term planning and covert diplomatic
signals of support from the United States, the timing is extraordinarily
suspicious to say the least.
>
> It follows on from the incredibly fortuitous propaganda event, seized with
relish by Benjamin Netanyahu, of three Jewish men abducted and murdered, for
which Hamas was blamed but denied responsibility. This resulted in a brutal
“security operation” involving the invasion of Palestinian domestic property and
the forcible arrest and mistreatment of hundreds of young men. There is little
doubt that the event was a false flag, using probably arms length (ISIS?) thugs
to provide propaganda and excuse for its intended action.
>
> The fact that Netanyahu knew the men were already dead and the police had
failed to respond when they had the chance to respond to a mobile phone plea for
help, when he made his highly charged and inflammatory speech, rather confirms
>
> The timing of both of these planned military events, on the back of, or
obscured by, shocking events gaining and deflecting international attention,
cannot be co-incidental and yet again points an impelling accusatory finger in
the direction of Israeli/American covert action via the Mossad/CIA axis.
> THE BIAS OF WESTERN POLICY AND MSM
>
> Following the revelations of the true perpetrators of the 9/11 outrages, this
should come as no surprise as to the depths of perfidy to which they are
prepared to sink in furthering their short and long-term geo-political aims. It
is a context that should be fully borne in mind by the majority of the world’s
population when assessing what purports to be the western mainstream media (MSM)
of the conflict in both the Middle East (particularly Gazza at the moment) and
Ukraine, where the over-riding themes have been “Israel protecting itself from
terrorist Palestinians” and “freedom loving Ukrainians protecting themselves
from Russian backed terrorist separatists”, both of which are plainly partial
and biased.
>
> They are but one side of an Oxford Union debate. We are hearing the
prosecution case without the defence. Even whilst demanding an independent
investigation, western leaders, principally American and British, (not
forgetting the walk-on supporting act by the Australian Premier) infer the
Russians and Palestinians are to blame.
>
> How convenient is that? It parallels the approach to whistle blowers and
victims of sexual assault being prosecuted and gaoled, whilst the perpetrators
and criminals are protected and rewarded. It is the well-known psychological
phenomenon of “victim blaming”.
>
> The one-sided nature of the Israeli conflict is well known. The whole history
of the west-supported Israeli state replicates a long-standing European approach
to settlement in new territories and the systematic eradication and/or
domination of the resident population and culture. We (Europeans) did it in
North and South America, Africa and Austro-Asia to greater or lesser extent. The
Zionists, with western support, are continuing to do the same to the
Palestinians wherever they find them, and particularly if they show any signs of
independence or resistance to the occupying army.
>
> What we the British extolled in the Second World War, we denigrate in the
Palestinian effort to defend themselves, even if we might consider it tactically
inept. The cards have been stacked; the weights have been interfered with; the
ingredients adulterated; the projection skewed; the computer program corrupted.
>
> GROUND TO AIR MISSILES
>
> So getting back to the truly outrageous event of the crash of MH 17, the jury
is still very much out on who caused it, how and why, but let us consider some
of the factors that might point the way, even at this early stage.
>
> First the plane was flying at over six miles above the earth which would
require sophisticated missile technology not currently in the hands of the
rebels as far as we are aware, unless supplied by one side or the other. NATO
refers to the system as the SA-11 GADFLY and the advanced model as the SA-17
GRIZZLY – systems developed by the Soviet Union to succeed the SA-6 GAINFUL.
>
> The west has an array of surface to air systems including “Patriot”, although
the Google search engine appears much more willing to provide information on
Russian assets than NATO ones. I am no expert but of course we should never rule
out the possibility that it was American hardware that brought the plane down.
>
> “Handling lower-tier air defence, systems such as Hawk XXI and National
Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System (NASAMS) can intercept short-range
ballistic and cruise missiles as well as fixed-wing threats. Its long-range
radars, such as the AN/TPY-2 and AN/SPY-1, provide coverage on land and at sea,
detecting and managing engagement of targets. NATO’s newly inaugurated Air
Command & Control System (ACCS), the alliance’s first totally integrated sensor
and communications network, was brought to fruition as a joint effort by
ThalesRaytheonSystems, and plays a critical and central role in defending
European NATO airspace. Of the Patriot missile system’s 12 global partner
countries, five are NATO nations.” (Source:http://www.raytheon.com/ourcompany/global/europe/iamd/index.html)
>
> Nor should we rule out the possibility that NO ground to air missile was
involved (apropos Lockerbie Pan Am 103) until proved otherwise. As far as I am
aware to date, no one has reported seeing a missile fired nor the subsequent
high level explosion. All we have to date is the almighty fireball, ascending
column of black smoke and debris, which at least is more than we had from the
“vaporising” UA 93 at Stonycreek Township, Pennsylvania. (In this regard
Wikipedia still pedals the now totally discredited official story it was “a
passenger flight which was hijacked by al-Qaeda on September 11, 2001, as part
of the September 11 attacks”. (See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93)
>
> So an on-board device remains a possibility and that opens the “game” of
perpetrators up completely. One thing is clear, the pilot had no warning or was
otherwise prevented from sending out a distress signal, so the “traditional”
hi-jack scenario is made less likely, although suicide bomber is not. More
likely would be a device secreted about the aircraft or in the luggage
compartment planted by some clandestine or terrorist agency.
>
> STRANGE WHITE TRAILS from BLACK SMOKE
>
> One intriguing aspect demonstrated by video footage of the billowing smoke
following the crash, is the distinct trails of white material falling to earth,
that is not easily explained and for which I am not qualified to interpret,
other than observing that they appear remarkably similar to those of a
thermite-nature at the collapse of the twin towers. Surely they could not be
evidence of such?
>
> Of itself it would not prove on-board explosive, as it might be only a
remnant of an intercepting missile I presume, or some other burning constituent
of the smoke after the plane had hit the ground, which must entail the
particulate ascending with it. Others might be able to explain it satisfactorily
but it needs explanation. It can be found 20 to 30 seconds into the video here:
>
>   Maybe it’s worth remembering that an aluminium oxide white smoke is produced
from the thermite chemical reaction. (Compare and contrast here:
>
> POSSIBLE PERPETRATORS
>
> So if it was brought down by ground to air missile and not on-board explosive,
the options are the Ukrainians or Russians, or alternatively combatant agents of
the United States or Russia using either Russian or Western (American) weapons.
It is possible the timing was coordinated or inspired to distract from wider
US/Israeli military activity.
>
> We know that both East and West have taken advantage of the civil unrest (even
promoted it) to further their geo-political and territorial aims. Indeed we
might almost conclude, despite the brouhaha, that this was a done deal between
Obama and Putin over the telephone regarding their respective fields of
influence – a swap of western Ukraine to NATO and EU in return for Crimea and
the eastern Ukraine to the Russians. A nod to the Chamberlain/Hitler agreement
regarding Czechoslovakia in 1938!
>
> If so we must ask who would gain from shooting down a passenger jet?
>
> The Americans might want another Lusitania/Pearl Harbour event, as they did
with 9/11 to justify military action in Europe; Russia might want similar to
justify military occupation of the east of the country but neither are
convincing. Would they really push the chances of an east/west confrontation,
potentially involving nuclear weapons? Even the most neo-con would hold back
from that I would think.
>
> But how about a third party such as Israel working in concert with either
state or terrorist agents or by utilising its own assets, wishing to stir up
further diversionary violence, disorder and headlines, whilst continuing
unmolested with its own violent intentions? That to me appears far more likely,
particularly in the context of its policy to undermine the powerful backer of
its arch enemies Syria and Iran. So it could serve TWO important objectives:
drive a deeper wedge between the super powers and undermine Russia, increasing
pressure on its northern flank whilst at the same time diverting and
neutralising international attention of its potentially alarming and military
assault on the Gazza, with all its powerful resonances of the Nazi attack on the
Warsaw Ghetto.
>
> Incredibly, we even now have disturbing reports that Israel is actually
employing poison gas on the civilian population in Gazza. If that is not ironic,
nothing is. We will wait to see if there is the same American outrage as
evidenced over Syria – also a largely a contrived lie? (See:
>
> That would seem to me to be a quite viable and logical Israeli strategy
particularly as it has been shown, just like Hitler and his advance to the east,
was motivated by oil and resources, so is Israel’s interest in subduing Gazza.
>
> “Never mind the ‘war on terror’ rhetoric, writes Nafeez Ahmed. The purpose of
Israel’s escalating assault on Gaza is to control the Territory’s 1.4 trillion
cubic feet of gas – and so keep Palestine poor and weak, gain massive export
revenues, and avert its own domestic energy crisis.”
>
> LINKS WITH MH 370 AND THE ISRAELI BOEING 777
>
> One further interesting detail thrown up by the MH 370 incident, still not
explained but filed under “not to be revealed for fifty years”, was that of the
identical ex-Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that found its way to Tel Aviv
airport but NOT to the State Airline El Al. To date the Israeli government has
issued no explanation of why it was there or for what purpose. Was it just to
enable the the Israeli agencies to get detailed familiarity with a plane and its
components that figured large in its later clandestine plans? (See:
)
>
> At the time there was much debate over the plane and its function and the
possibility it would be used in a terrorist attack that could be blamed on
Muslim extremists. Now “lo and behold” – an appropriately Biblical term – only a
few months later we have an identical plane blowing up or being brought down
over eastern Ukraine, whilst with military precision the Gazza attack starts at
precisely the same time. This is text book strategy, at which we know the
Israeli’s are expert. They took notes from the British, French, Germans,
Americans and Russians, not least but nor exclusively, at Suez in 1956.
>
> The Russians have now challenged the western nations, somewhat along the above
lines, with ten specific questions relating principally to the role of the
It is common knowledge that the Ukraine government and military has been
infiltrated by American intelligence and military, from which it is a small step
to imagine CIA/Mossad involvement in a plot to heighten international tension
and provide cover for military activity elsewhere. In the circumstances it would
be wise to keep and open mind and moderate the temptation to point an accusatory
finger or take sides, until a reliable narrative emerges. We only know that if
“terrorists” are not behind such incidents, governments must be, and that sadly
western ones are no less capable than those projected by western media as its
enemies.

One Response to Re: FLIGHT MH17 CRASHES. ISRAEL STARTS GROUND INVASION OF GAZZA. COINCIDENCE OF COURSE. (Up-dated and amended 19.7.2014) – Tim Veater

 Tim Veater says:
A highly significant earlier event I knew about but didn’t refer to, is covered excellently here:

http://www.rense.com/general96/MH17.html

“Was MH17 Sabotaged By An Israeli
Security Team At Amsterdam
Schiphol Airport?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
Exclusive to Rense
7-20-14
Quote in full:
“As the only non-European journalist to cover The Hague inquiry into the Amsterdam crash of El Al flight 1862 (October 1992), which destroyed a Biljmeer district apartment complex, I discovered many aspects of the Israeli security set-up at Schipol International Airport and the role of the Mossad intelligence agency in secret operations there, one of Europe’s business transport hubs. This same airport spy network is very likely involved in the recent crash of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 over the Ukraine.
Covering the Biljmeer crash for Japan Playboy, I uncovered the sordid facts of how the official investigation back then was undone by a large network of Israeli intelligence agents who paid hush money to victims’ families, pressured injured firefighters from filing lawsuits over radiation exposure, and suppressed data from the hangar where the wreckage was stored. The crippled El Al cargo jet, leased from UPS, had transported from JFK Airport in New York a secret load of weapons including plutonium, depleted uranium and a bioweapon called mycoplasm in its cargo bay before crashing on an attempt to return to Schipol Airport, in an operation directed by the Israeli intelligence service instead of Dutch flight officials.
Once again, this time in the destruction of MH17, there is an Israeli-connected air crash with political ramifications involving Israeli strategic interests, inside Israel exactly when its military launches an invasion of Gaza and in troubled Ukraine, a supplier of military electronics to the IDF.
Security at Schipol Airport is operated by ICTS, an Israeli-owned airport security company based in The Netherlands founded by former officers of the Shin Beit intelligence agency. Its subsidiaries are also involved in key security functions there, including ProCheck, Ramasso and I-SEC.
The Israeli security company has a record of staging false flag operations, including the September 11, 2001 attacks. ICaTS subsidiary Huntleigh provided passenger and baggage inspection services at Boston Logan Airport, where two of the four jetliners used in the 911 attack originated.
At Schipol Airport on Christmas 2009, ICTS allowed the “Underwear Bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallah armed with explosives to slip past “sniffer” detectors to board a Detroit-bound Northwest flight, an incident that was a boon to Homeland Security and the global war on terrorism.
Initial information, even before the start of an official inquiry into MH17, raise serious questions of whether Israeli intelligence tampered with the flight controls and radar identification (transponder) system of the Malaysian-operated Boeing-777.
– MH17 deviated from the civilian flight path, which should cross close to the exit mouth of the Azov Sea, away from the current battle zone between the Ukraine military and militant ethnic Russian irregulars. Instead its navigation steered the jetliner on a more northerly course in contested airspace, where Ukraine military aircraft conduct both air strikes and troop transport missions, putting the Malaysian Airlines jet into jeopardy.
– The wide-body Boeing-777 jumbo jet is similar in profile to the Antonov (built by Kharkov Aircraft Industries in Ukraine) and Ilyushin (Russian-built) transport craft in service with the Ukraine military and air cargo fleets. At higher altitudes (MH17 was flying at 35,000 feet), the only way from ground level to identify a plane is by a coded radar response from its transponder signal. One possibility was that MH17 was programmed with a false responder code; while another problem could have been confusion with the transponder beam from a nearby Ukraine military craft. A more sinister scenario is the sending of a false ID signal from a ground-based vehicle.
In short, Israeli operatives could have loaded a bomb onto MH17 or used a false responder signal to lure a rebel missile battery to intercept a suspected incoming troop landing. Another issue for investigation, if these scenarios are verified, is the unspoken connection between the Boeing Corporation and the Israeli intelligence services. Boeing would have key data on tampering of any of its aircraft control systems, and both MH17 and MH370 were Boeing-777s.
Israeli intelligence had three possible motives for orchestrating a false flag incident blamed on ethnic Russians or on the Kremlin.
– first, the MH17 crash diverted international media attention from the launch of the Israeli invasion of Gaza, which is a serious rupture of existing peace accords and a massive assault on human rights. Malaysia is an outspoken voice in the UN and the world media on Palestinian rights in Gaza.
– second, Israel, even with the Zionist economic interests in Russia such as BP, has a historical interest in the 45 000-member strong Jewish community in the port of Odessa, which has a large stake in the financial sector, military electronics industry, missile production and weapons factories. PBN and GQR, lobbying organizations controlled by American Jewish neoconservatives, are the most influential force in Ukraine politics.
– third, the destruction of MH17 serves as a warning to the governments of Malaysia and Australia to cease any further investigation into the strong possibility that MH370 was hijacked by the Israeli military. MH370 was carrying engineers, designers, prototypes, specifications and a chip foundry for the world’s smallest microchip, the KL series. The leading edge technology is needed for Israel’s crash program to build a drone army, especially mini-robots capable of infiltrating Iran’s nuclear plants. (This writer has extensively researched a nd uncovered Israeli involvement in the MH370 hijacking at rense.com)
One point of bias that needs to be disclosed is that this writer is a sympathizer of Ukraine independence and opposes Russian intervention. In specific incidents, however, such as the destruction of MH17, one’s preferences must be set aside in pursuit of the facts relevant to the case. The Israeli role in this affair cannot be ignored, especially considering its abiding interests in independent Ukraine. Therefore, the Kiev government should launch an investigation into the possibility of sabotage by an ally so as not to harm& nbsp;its legitimacy by incriminating itself together with Israeli state-sponsored terrorism, legitimate grounds for reprisal by its adversary. A Ukraine that claims to be independent should try to be independent.
As an investigation team approaches the crash site, the real cover-up is yet to begin. The family members and friends of both targeted Malaysian Airlines jetliners are owed the truth and the culprits must be dragged to justice.
Yoichi Shimatsu is a science and technology journalist based in Hong Kong and former editor of The Japan Times Weekly in Tokyo.”

Discussion from the Huffington Post


Tim Veater ·
The evidence, even from cursory photograph viewing, rules out the explanation promulgated immediately by all western governments and media that it was a ground based Russian missile fired either by Russian troops or Ukrainian Separatists. Hitting a moving target at 33,000 ft can never be an easy undertaking, virtually impossible for untrained militia, so it was never really a starter, but this did not stop Cameron et al from mouthing off. It is this sort of pure propaganda that does immense damage to government credibility affecting all its statements on terrorism and military action. Don't they realise?
Vincent Crewe ·
Shot down from the ground at 33000 feet, impossible. It was obviously a Ukranian government fighter plane, which has been suspected al along.
LikeReply99 September 2014 16:09
Arthur Hodgett ·
Gary powers was shot down in 1960 from a much higher height nearly 70,000 feet!
LikeReply39 September 2014 17:08
Debrah McCabe
Arthur Hodgett Gary Powers was a CIA spy who was shot down over Russian territory by an SA-2 surface to air missile. Don't forget to mention the reason he was shot down. And don't forget that no eyewitness reports have ever indicated that the vapour trail that a BUK system would have left (lasting 10 minutes in the relatively windless day) was seen or photographed.
UnlikeReply430 December 2014 13:46
Tim Veater ·
At least two distinct circular perforations are evident suggesting only one thing, these came from an AIR-BASED system probably comprising shells and rocket attack. There could even have been more than one. The fact that debris is spread over such a large area (10 Km or more) suggests the plane was blown apart in the air, either by an air-to-air missile or on-board explosive device, primed or activated simultaneously with the aerial attack. If the latter, it could not be the only cause as most of the holes are seen to indicate entering from the outside, although some are inside to outside, which could be explained by a shell passing right through. If there had been Russian planes in the air, the West would have jumped on it immediately. There is only one logical conclusion, this was an intentional covert act by the West or its allies; that they knew about it from the first; it was done as part of a strategic plan possibly to deflect from Gaza or increase anti-Putin antipathy or even as a direct warning to Putin himself (he was in the air, in the region at the time!). How can we take any of the war-mongering by the West seriously in the light of all this?
Tim Veater ·
And can we overlook the fact that this was the second almost identical Malaysian airliner to come down or go missing in deeply suspicious circumstances, whilst women and children were being blown to pieces without a word of censure or dissent from the British Prime Minister? Now the almost miraculous appearance of the "IS", no less than "300 terrorist cells" in this country - clearly undisturbed by the law, and a "severe" level of presumed threat requiring the SAS to patrol shopping centres and the like. Will we wake up to find Alice in Wonderland is quite literal after all?
LikeReply110 September 2014 12:05
Edited
Simon Wolfers
Ukraine also has 'form'. this quote taken from BBC web site (not Sputnik, RT or Press TV etc!) "Siberian Airlines Flight 1812, Oct 2001
A Siberian Airlines plane was heading to Novosibirsk, Russia from Tel Aviv, Israel when it was shot down and crashed into the Black Sea on 4 October, 2001. All 78 passengers on board were killed. The Ukrainian military denied its involvement at first.
However, Ukrainian officials later admitted that its military could have mistakenly shot the plane down during a training exercise, and some compensation was paid to victims's relatives."
LikeReply2 April 2015 14:42
FaRouk Jusri RahMan ·
Dear Ukraine,
U are the one who shoot our friend and all passenger in MH17..shame on u...
Why US and other EU countries are keep silent about this?
All the evidence shows that all the holes are from 30mm bullet from fighter jet..
shame on Ukraine
shame on US
LikeReply73 January 2015 15:09
Mike Kulyk
putin khujlo!! putin lies ! russian forces shot down mh-17 murdering 298 people !!
LikeReply26 November 2015 03:34
Blue Eagle Refiners Inc.
As for the supposed find of the BUK missile fragment this out of context data has the same feel to it that the pristine hi-jacker passport that supposedly floated to the ground out of the mushroom cloud of 911.
More to the point the,” The US Dog that did not bark”.
The US government (a permanent member of the UN Security Council) refuses to publish their High-Res satellite photos and other Intel files they obviously possess, instead referring to discredited social media sources to convict Putin in the court of public opinion.
The next is the fact that Kiev refuses to release the air traffic controller tapes. Previous flight tracks were significantly further to the south out of the conflict zone where it was brought down (with the flight track records mysteriously altered to support the suggestion it was the normal route). Releasing the ATC tapes would quickly clear this contentious collusion aspect up (ATC tapes are usually released in the first few weeks of a real investigation, and not releasing them after all this time is telling).
Next the witness who passed a lie detector test outing the pilot’s name that shot the MH17 down (Capt Voloshyn) returns to the airfield without his air to air ordinances, visibly upset saying “it was at the wrong place at the wrong time.”
The most telling aspects of the MH17 shoot-down is the 30 mm bullet holes in the fuselage (the bullsh*t BUK theory absolutely does not hold with this obvious fact). The Dutch and interestingly even the Malaysians both steadfastly refuse to release the autopsy report of the bullet ridden pilot.
Finally the secret non disclosure agreement providing Kiev with an out not permitting the facts to come out from the official investigation. The blood of 298 victims is on the hands in Kiev.
All of the above is nothing short of scandalous disrespect for the 298 dead souls of MH17; the UN, professional crash investigators and these complicit journalists need to start doing their jobs.

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