Tuesday, 28 February 2017

In 21st Century Britain it is apparently a crime to assert Christian belief in public


Preachers arrested in Bristol


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From: http://christianconcern.com/our-concerns/freedom-of-speech/street-preachers-convicted-for-quoting-bible-in-modern-day-heresy-tri?utm_content=buffer23335&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

"Two street preachers have been convicted of public order offences, after a public prosecutor claimed that quoting parts of the King James Bible in the context of modern British society "must be considered to be abusive and is a criminal matter".
"The prosecutor had argued that free speech must yield to multicultural reality in modern Britain, and that there was a clear threat to violence due to the words of the preachers and the criticism of Islam.

Street preacher in Broadmead, Bristol, UK . November 2000 

"Michael Overd and Michael Stockwell were convicted today (28 FEB) at Bristol Magistrates' Court. On Friday (25 FEB) the court dismissed the case against a third man, Adrian Clark, ruling that there was no case to answer.
"During the four-day trial, prosecutor Ian Jackson, claimed:
"To say to someone that Jesus is the only God is not a matter of truth. To the extent that they are saying that the only way to God is through Jesus, that cannot be a truth."
The men were found guilty under Section 31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, for using "threatening or abusive words or behaviour or disorderly behaviour within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress, thereby, and the offence was religiously aggravated."

Quakers under arrest, Alnwick Quakers.
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Comment

Stating your (Christian) religious belief in public in England is now (apparently) a crime! This ridiculous, dangerous and unconstitutional decision has been made by Bristol Magistrates Court. Perhaps the Magistrates, Police and Prosecutors would benefit from a crash course on Locke who was born not far away 385 years ago when religion and the state was a far bigger issue than it is today. He asserted that the civil authority had no business interfering in the area of religious belief unless it had direct impact on the security of the state; and vice versa. Further that belief and the expression of it was a basic freedom that should be protected by the state and not be criminalised. We associate the persecution of religious believers and proselytisers with totalitarian and repressive states, not a liberal and tolerant Britain, that many would argue, has been created in large measure, by Protestant Christian belief and practice over the centuries.


George Whitefield 1714 - 1770



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Significantly they were prosecuted under Section 31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 not because anything they said or did encouraged crime and disorder, but simply because they asserted long held basic Christian dogma, that others might disagree with and be upset by. The offending assertion was a quote by Jesus himself, stating "I am the way, the truth and the light. No man comes to the father but by me." It has been a foundational principle of the Christian faith for two thousand years but apparently it is no longer legal. In fact, in this multi-cultural society, it is a crime to assert it publicly.

John Wesley 1703 - 1791


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We must therefore assume that on the basis of equality, it is illegal to assert any religious view publicly - or indeed any view at all if someone can claim they are upset by it! Does the same principle apply if the statement is made in a church, a chapel or a tent? If HM the Queen were present when it was claimed, would she and the congregation now be complicit in a crime?

The defence lawyer, Michael Phillips rather summed it up when he said: "This prosecution is nothing more than a modern-day heresy trial – dressed up under the public order act." It also drives a coach and horses through the principle that Christians - or indeed other faiths - are permitted to evangelise in public.

John Wesley's statue in Broadmead, Bristol


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By definition others will disagree and are equally free to do so. Neither side may use it as an excuse for abuse or violence for which there are clear remedies. Preachers of this sort have always attracted ridicule and debate - it comes with the territory. It is seldom successful in its objective but this does not negate its purpose or legality and it would be a fundamentally different country if free speech in public was criminalised. In fact it is not difficult to envisage very ominous overtones.

True Christian belief is a humanising and civilising influence. Indeed Bristol has had a high profile in this area with Quakers, Methodists and other non-conformists having had a major social impact locally and further afield. Such preachers as John Wesley and George Whitefield preached to huge open air crowds with largely beneficial consequences. Bristol was also an important area for Quakers and Plymouth Brethren who undertook open air preaching.

George Muller 1805 - 1898


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Ironically it now appears it is Bristol that has set this backward and dangerous precedent, contrary to all British constitutional and historical principles. Will it be appealed? Will the conviction be upheld? Whatever happens, the ramifications go far beyond two rather perhaps naive individuals holding forth in Broadmead. Some might infer it is yet another indication that Britain has jettisoned its Christian past, with its guiding moral principles, for something far less certain and destructive, in fact a lawless society where all or anything goes, rather reminiscent of the crowds to whom Wesley and Whitefield preached, but worse.

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From: https://lexloiz.wordpress.com/tag/persecution/

Wesley recounts the injuries he had received whilst preaching

Wesley genuinely believed he was spared pain and danger, trusting, as he did, in the sovereignty of God. He recalled his various injuries during his efforts to preach the gospel:
 ‘By how gentle degrees does God prepare us for his will! Two years ago a piece of brick grazed my shoulders.
‘It was a year after that the stone struck me between the eyes.
‘Last month I received one blow, and this evening two; one before we came into the town, and one after we were gone out; but both were as nothing:
‘For though one man struck me on the breast with all his might, and the other on the mouth with such a force that the blood gushed out immediately, I felt no more pain from either of the blows, than if they touched me with a straw.’

Sunday, 26 February 2017

Max Spiers, the BBC and 'Fake News'


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The world of information, and who controls it, is very important to the power brokers. Not since Caxton have the reins been so challenged by the Internet and the Controllers are desperate to turn back the tide but it is proving problematical. That is where the "Fake News" meme is coming from, and the BBC is a main exponent of it, therefore we may assume it will do all it can to support the fiction. Its treatment of people like Max Spiers should be viewed in that light. 

As we have seen in the past, as with its disgraceful treatment of the 9/11 and 7/7 issues (and later ones) its ostensible purpose to objectively investigate is no such thing. It is in fact quite the opposite: to undermine the objectors to reinforce the (fake) official story-line. 

Now as regards Max Spiers I haven't seen the BBC programme so I cannot comment on it directly but I am immediately suspicious by the fact that the 'BBC Big Wigs' have obviously approved the resources for the project and allowed it to be broadcast. Only those that have watched it can judge as to its overall direction and impact. 

did not know Spiers personally and have not followed him assiduously. I have however watched a few of his presentations and interviews including one not long before his untimely and rather suspicious death. I have to say that I found it difficult to follow what he had to say in any rational or coherent way. I am not sure he knew either but perhaps I am being unfair and others have a clearer view of what he was actually propounding or revealing. I am open to instruction by those that know better. 

However, if I am right I think this might explain why the BBC might choose him for a documentary because if it projects a 'conspiracy theorist' with little to support his views, its effect is to undermine all such and to dismiss it out of hand as just an example of the 'fake news' it is campaigning against.


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The BBC Documentary here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb3CLhrXYK0&app=desktop

This is a response from someone who watched it and I have to say (now I have watched it too) I think they have a point.


What a load of film school bollocks! The mainstream (fake) media at it's finest folks! An absolute load of fake crap wrapped in a smear campaign! Conspiracy Theorist?? What an insult to such a brave man!! This is a load of un researched (no mention of MK Ultra and associated projects/operations Max was involved in, or interviews with fellow associates like James Casbolt!) lazy, half arsed bollocks posing as journalism! The BBC!! What an absolute joke and disgrace to intelligent researchers the world over! This absolutely boiled my blood!! This presenter is a daft little child who should be working in Tesco though she's probably too lazy to get a job there no doubt! You childish, lazy bunch of hacks! Useless!! Do not waste your time watching this turkey!! My views aside, it's also a total yawn and really badly put together. There's no hot pursuit journalism like adopting (expected) journalistic practise to get into the conference, No then the assumption that they think they're (the conference organisers) too afraid to let these "Hard asses" (I could die laughing) in!! "The Voice" is more cutting edge than this folks, do not waste your time on this total piece of crap... seriously!